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PostSubject: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:40 pm




I am just appauld and needed to share. This is disgusting and inhumane. I can't believe someone would even consider this women as a leader!
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:09 am

seen it before, dont want to see it again ever. Would not want her as a leader.
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:03 am

oh I know it donna , after seeing it once that was enough I cant see it again!
Others sure need to know about this.
and if they like they can send an email message to her expressing there outrage and asking her to change her mind on the law
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:02 pm

OMG that is terrible affraid
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:59 pm

I am not even viewing, I am assuming that we are talking about the airal hunting. They show a commercial about it on TV and it makes me SICK! To say the least. These poor creatures are shot several times to be killed. They literally bite at their back from the bullet stings pelting them. She does not want the Polar Bears put on the endangered species list, even though the government sees there is a need to, because they also hunt them from the air. They only hunt them in the winter when these creatures have no safe haven - no where to run and hide from these cruel savage people! What happened to the rights of an animal anyhow? Ask Palin, she does not see any rights where they are concerned. I am just honored to not be like Palin and believe that animals are only here for us to abuse and take our frustrations out on them by needlessly and painfully killing them. And she considers this fun???? Known fact, murders start out by being cruel and murdering animals. Something else to think about - maybe she will be the next Hitler!
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:58 pm

this has really got me in a rage. I just couldnt believe what I was seeing. Unbelievable. I can see that type of hunting if they was trying to secure an animal on the loose that was out killing people. But geeze. whats going on here is senseless , inhumane and violent!!!
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:02 pm

I really hope that the more that comes out about this woman it opens some people's eyes so they know what they will be voiting for if they vote for that ticket. Hunting like that is like shooting fish in a barrel.
That she likes this, enjoys it says alot about the woman she is and it is not a woman I would like very much and certainly I'd not like her in office running or helping run this country!!!
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:13 pm

I am telling you all, this woman is almost like the devil himself. My opinion, my belief. Not one person who truly has heart and feelings can think this is somehow even close to being right or normal behavior in a human being!
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:37 am

I totally agree dream I just cant even fathom what i seen this is terrible. I dont understand how anyone would think this is ok. It is sick! I say COMMIT THIS BIATCH!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:39 pm

Woah... talk about propaganda. Adolph would be proud. You are only seeing one (very scewed) side of this.
They HAVE to cull certain species in order to prevent starvation and disease, the same reason they do it here in the continental U.S. in almost EVERY state. (know any deer hunters?) Would you rather they poisened them? maybe they could live trap them and transplant them elsewhere? where? This is the most humane way of dealing with the problem.
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:49 pm

Ok first to compare peoples opinions and outrage over this issue with Adolf Hitler is out of line. I think it was Adolf Hitler himself that killed people that had an opposing view than him. We are not killing anyone and here we allow all people to express there stance on issues.


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They HAVE to cull certain species in order to prevent starvation and disease, the same reason they do it here in the continental U.S. in almost EVERY state. (know any deer hunters?) Would you rather they poisened them? maybe they could live trap them and transplant them elsewhere? where? This is the most humane way of dealing with the problem

To answer that, yes relocate them if needed. Why do we strive to hunt the wolf to near extinction, and then, after succeeding in the lower 48, continue to search out their families in Alaska and persist towards their slow decrease? Wolves were exterminated in most of the Lower 48 in the last century. They hung on only in the far north forests of Minnesota until American attitudes changed, and a program was begun to restore the animals to their traditional range.Once again to answer that one would ask why we kill at all. Why do we feel the need to dominate all that we see, to destroy and control and build to create our own immaculate existence that we now live in today? Is the wolf really a problem or is he just another speed bump on our massacring road of obliteration?

In 1996 and 2000, voters rejected using aircraft to help track and kill wolves. The Legislature overturned the measures.

Palin defended the state government’s spending of $400,000 in taxpayer money for education about the program before the vote. (ok using the states money to promote her own views and opinions? does anyone else see something wrong with this?)


"In essence, we just think that shooting animals from airplanes so distasteful ... it should only be used as a last resort, not as standard operating procedures to manipulate the high and lows of game populations all the time so there is a maximum amount for hunters," says Joel Bennett, 64 whom served on the game board for 14 years.

Jans, a 53-year-old writer in Juneau, contends that wildlife management decisions in Alaska are being made by a small group of sport hunters and professional hunting guides who are cozy with game board members.

"It is obvious to us that the predator control program, as it currently exists, is not a matter of scientific management but policy that is being basically stuffed down the people of Alaska's throats by a well-connected minority," he said.

Jans said what is at work is a "good old-boy network" with a distorted view of their place on the planet.( I believe he is speaking of such people as the airel and tourism boads. Imagine how much money they can make off of visiting vacation hunters)

UMMMMM I thought Palin fought against the "good old boy network" Hmmm I musta been wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:01 pm

I didn't compare anyones opinions here to Adolf Hitler, only the makers of the video. And just where would you prefer to relocate them to? they are reaching over population in the lower states also and are mostly off the endangered list. even being hunted again.
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:17 pm

I dunno, gee, let me see here...........we have some states that incertain areas are overpopulated with people, so maybe we could just arial hunt them too. I mean why not, if it is controlling the population of species who are dying of starvation and diseases. After all, humanes are a species too that have those dying from starvation and diseases. That's the concept you are working on here.
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:37 pm

I stay with the suggestion to move relocate or spay / nueter or even euthanize in a humane way. Why? Lets get to the numbers for relocation. The Grey wolf is in fact listed on the Threatened & Endangered Species System in many states those including, AZ, CA, CO, CT, IA, ID, IL, IN, KS, MA, ME, MI, MN, MO, MT, ND, NE, NH, NJ, NM, NV, NY, OH, OK, OR, PA, RI, SD, TX, UT, VT, WA, WI, WY
for that info you can go to
http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/SpeciesReport.do

Now many would say well we would like to do as you suggested Cher but it would just cost too much money.
My rebuttal to that is :
On January 10,2007 the state published several publications paid for
by the state’s $400,000 public education campaign. Now that is an awful alot of money. So instead of spending that money to advertise the glory of killing , How about make a nice educational documentary showing the scientiests doing just what I suggested.Isnt that something we see on national geographic and animal planet alot anyhow? would the scientists working with and studying these animals while relocating spay and nuetering be educational and benifitial to the state as well as others?

As if that is not enough in March 2007 the Board of Game asked
Governor Palin to approve funding for state biologists and state
helicopters to implement the state’s aerial gunning program. Soon
thereafter the Department issued a press release stating they would
also issue more permits and offer a $150 “incentive” to permittees who
kill wolves as part of the predator control programs. (This incenative was bring the wolves 2 left paws in for payment)At this same
meeting, the Board greatly expands predator control methods to attempt
to reduce the black bear population in Unit 16B. As many as 1,400
wolves can be killed. For the first time, sows and bear cubs can be
killed. And Yes Governor Palin did indeed approve.OK what is wrong with this picture?

Now some more really good news.They claim the bear and the wolves are killing all the prey BUT During winter, the wolf families (YES ENTIRE FAMILY)eat a significant meal of moose, mountain sheep, or caribou on average once every 2.0-2.6 days. BUT here is the best part ,only about half their meals come from kills, and and only roughly 2.0-8.9% of their winter encounters with moose result in kills.(well isnt that part of the reasoning , kill the wolf save the moose?And this continues to get better yet,The other 47-48% of their winter meals are scavenged (animals that died from other causes); 60-77% of the moose they eat are scavenged. They dig many of the scavenged meals from beneath the snow - from as deep as 8-10 feet into densely packed drifts and avalanches - and must expend additional effort gnawing into the frozen remains.


The goal of the program is not the protection of wildlife from problem
wolves, but the artificial boosting of numbers of prey species to
unsustainable levels for sport hunters. The state of Alaska calls it
“control,” but it is a hunt primarily by local residents for the
benefit of urban and non-resident sport hunters.

Maybe now you are asking who is it that passes these laws?
Most decisions regarding wolves rest with the Alaska Board of Game.
And we might ask who is the Board of Game? It is a seven-member panel of citizens appointed by the GOVERNOR and confirmed by the legislature.
This board has historically and currently consists primarily of
hunters.
The people of Alaska banned land and shoot hunting by statewide
initiative in 1996. But Alaska law allows laws enacted by ballot
measures to be overturned after a two year period and this is what the
Alaska legislature did.
On On September 25 2007 172 scientists sent a letter to Governor
Palin criticizing the state’s aerial predator control program.

As many will agree I have handed out truthful information , and we now know other states do in fact have the wolves on the list still. This maybe propaganda but I am not handing over a life sentence as Governor Palin and her associates have. And in a turn of events I must say : Adolf Hitler must be proud. (of the happenings in ALaska of course) Wink
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:40 pm

Thank you so much Cher for sharing all your facts you have found! Great read and lots of good information for those who are less informed. Maybe some of these statistics and facts will open the eyes of others.


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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:24 pm

WOW I did not know that Cher thank u Smile

But i think the way they r killing those animals is terrible. \

Here in NY the people who hunt get the licesnses for the Doe all the time because there are 2 many and we are over populated with deer. It is very sad .But if we could relocate them that would be great but it doesn't work that way. I cannot tell u how many deers on a daily Basis i see dead on the side of the road because they run out into traffic and get hit by cars.People have been seriously hurt and even killed because of it. and It is not just in the winter when the r beening hunting that the run out into the roads its all the time. I have 2 be verycareful because i am ver afraid of hitting one on the way home .
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:39 pm

In alligator alley here people hit alligators all the time.

I would like to say I am not against hunting , if what is killed is used for eating , clothing ect.
I am also not totally against population control , the problem in Alaska is: 1. the way they are doing it
and 2. the false claims they are making to do it.


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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:13 pm

EXACTLY!

Hunting for the right means can be good. I do not approve of the way some choose to be with it. And the matter of lying to cover up the facts so that you can do what you "feel" is fun, is just dead wrong!
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:23 pm

well again does it suprise you? how many times in the past month or 2 have to seen the truth strechthed and exagerated from Palin?
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:09 pm

Stretched??? Exaggerated??? More like just plain outright lying!
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:32 pm

I had two near novels posted in this thread on the subject of propaganda and other various points that were eaten in the great forum glitch last weekend- so instead, my new short reply is this:

No, U! Very Happy

In all seriousness, I do hope that when propaganda presents itself on the democratic side; that no one cries foul.

I dislike Palin because I don't feel she has enough experience to be the Vice President of the United States. That opinion is not based on subjects I was barely aware of, and couldn't have cared less about, 2 minutes before McCain asked her to be his running mate. All these arm-chair animal welfare activists need to ask themselves where they were a year ago, when this subject was just a tiny article buried beneath the layers of the Internet- you know, before it was coated with political icing.
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:37 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26949514/?GT1=43001


grey wolves to be put back on list
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PostSubject: Re: THIS IS AWFUL AND DISGUSTING!!!   Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:17 pm

Yes it is a shame that they are so hunted. I realize that farmers have some problems with them killing livestock, but really is it the fault of the wolf that humanes have driven them out of their territories into new ones? So now they have to find a new way of life and food. They now only live in 10% of their historical range. How have we done right by them? Even the Indians found a way to live peacefully with these creatures and respect them. I am sure if Lions and Tigers lived in Alaska, she would be hunting them too, because in her mind they pose a threat to her. Instead of respecting and gaining knowledge of these animals, I guess for her it is just easier to rid the world of what she feels to be a threat created by them. Why should we have a right to determine what animals are allowed to be on Earth and which are not. That is just wrong. They are here for a reason, it is not their fault that Humanes believe themselves to be the "Supreme" beings. Yeah, we are really "Supreme" when people go around killing each other on the streets, doing drugs, starting wars and killing masses, stealing, lying, rapping, moletsing and cheating. I can see why we should be able to say what is allowed to live and what should be banished from the face of the Earth. Afterall, we are SO civilized!
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